THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, NEW QUESTIONS EMERGE AS TO HOW EXACTLY IT BEGAN.

THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AND THE FBI BOTH THAT COVID-19 MAY INDEED HAVE A LEECH FROM A LAB IN WUHAN, CHINA.

ALBEIT THE FBI HAS LOW CONFIDENCE IN ITS ASSESSMENT , FBI DIRECTOR CHRISTOPHER WRAY SAYS THEY HAVE MODERATE CONFIDENCE IN THEIRS.

SO WHAT EXACTLY DOES IT ALL MEAN?

JOINING US NOW TO HELP PROVIDE SOME CLARITY IS DR. ROBERT MURPHY, PROFESSOR OF INFECTIOUS DISEASES AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE INSTITUTE FOR GLOBAL HEALTH AT NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE.

WE TALK SO MANY TIMES, BUT NEVER IN PERSON.

GREAT TO MEET YOU IN PERSON.

SPAIN AGREED TO MEET YOU TOO.

'S PAYMENT WHAT YOU MAKE OF THE D.O.E.

AND FBI WEIGHING IN ON THIS , THAT IT COULD'VE ORIGINALLY LEAKED OUT ABOUT WUHAN LAB, AND NOT A WHAT MARKET?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A QUESTION THAT'S BEEN ASKED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC.

IT'S A THREE-YEAR-OLD QUESTION WITH NO NEW INFORMATION.

NONE.

THEY SAY THERE'S NEW STUFF.

THERE IS NOTHING I'VE SEEN.

ZERO.

WHAT YOU HAVE IS THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY MAKING THIS STATEMENT WITH LOW CONFIDENCE.

THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO NO CONFIDENCE.

>> WHY EVEN MAKE THAT STATEMENT IF THEY HAVE LOW CONFIDENCE?

DOES THAT MEAN THEY HAVE MODERATE OR HIGHER CONFIDENCE IN ANOTHER THEORY?

>> WHAT DOES THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PANDEMIC , WITH A VIRUS AND HOW DISEASES ARE TRANSMITTED?

I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT OF THEIR REAL HOUSE.

ALL THE OTHER MEDICAL GROUPS , THE NIH, THE CDC, THE WHITE HOUSE GROUP, WHATEVER, THEY DON'T THINK THAT OR THAT THE POSSIBILITY IS REMOTE.

DOCTORS DON'T SAY ANYTHING IS 100%.

I WILL SAY THERE'S A 1% CHANCE OR LESS.

>> AND 1%, YOU CAN'T REALLY SAY.

WHAT ABOUT THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION?

>> SAME THING.

>> IS ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT CHINA HAS BEEN SO OPAQUE THAT INSPECTORS HAVEN'T GOTTEN A LOT OF AXES TO GET ANSWERS?

>> OKAY.

THE CHINESE ARE OPAQUE.

HOWEVER, THEY LEAD TWO INTERNATIONAL GROUPS OF SCIENCES AND TWO AT TWO SEPARATE TIMES.

TWO INCLUDED AN AMERICAN BECAME AN INTERVIEW PEOPLE AT THE LAB.

THEY INTERVIEWED PEOPLE AT THE MARKET.

THE INTERVIEW THE PUBLIC HEALTH PEOPLE.

THEY DID A HUGE REPORT AND THEY SAID THE SAME THING.

WE CAN TELL.

IS LESS THAN 1% CHANCE.

IT'S MOST LIKELY THAT IT CAME FROM THESE ANIMALS.

>> IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THE BIOLOGY OF THE CORONAVIRUS THAT SHEDS LIGHT ON WHETHER IT'S SPILLOVER VERSUS LAB?

>> THE GENETICS OF THE WUHAN VIRUS, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE NAMING IT AFTER A CITY BECAUSE IT REALLY DIDN'T START THERE.

IT STARTED IN SOME ANIMAL, PROBABLY IN SOUTHWEST CHINA SOMEPLACE AND THEN IN A MARKET.

THE GENETICS OF THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S IN THE ANIMAL.

WE KNOW THE CORONAVIRUS GOES INTO LOTS OF ANIMALS FOR THEY GO IN DEAR.

CATS HAVE IT.

LIONS IN THE ZOO HAVE CORONAVIRUS.

CORONAVIRUS REALLY IS IN MANY ANIMALS.

THIS SHOULD BE WILLING NO SURPRISE.

THE GENETICS.

>> BECAUSE OF THOSE THINGS, IT STILL MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO THEORIZE THAT IT CAME FROM A MARKET.

>> YES.

THAT'S HOW IT GOES.

THE OTHER THING IS YOU WOULD THINK AFTER THREE YEARS THAT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOME WHISTLEBLOWER.

THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEBODY, ONE PERSON COME FORWARD WITH SOME REAL EVIDENCE.

NOTHING.

>> ME AT THE SAME TIME, ISN'T IT STRANGE OR MAYBE A COINCIDENCE THAT THIS LAB STUDYING CORONAVIRUS IS IN WUHAN AND THIS IS WHERE THE VIRUS INITIATED?

>> THE LAB IS STUDYING VIRUSES.

A BUNCH OF IRISES AND THE CORONAVIRUS.

THEY STARTED TO STUDY THAT.

THERE ARE LABS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

SO THIS JUST HAPPENS TO BE A LAB .

THE LAB HAD SOME FUNDING FROM THE UNITED STATES , FOR A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT.

COMPLETELY UNRELATED.

SLEEP WE KNOW SO MANY DIFFERENT CONSPIRACY THEORIES BUBBLED UP.

THE FACT THAT THEY ARE A LAB.

THE U.S. MAY HAVE HAD INVOLVEMENT.

IS KIND OF TANGENTIAL THINGS, CONSPIRACY THEORIES ARISE.

>> IT GOES BACK TO CHRISTOPHER WRAY.

I SAW THE PRESENTATION , THE HEAD OF THE FBI.

MODERATE CONFIDENCE.

CHRISTOPHER WRAY IS A PHILOSOPHY MAJOR FROM YALE UNIVERSITY.

HE THEN GOT HIS GED, HIS LAWYER DEGREE ALSO FROM YALE.

THE GUY PROBABLY HASN'T TAKEN A BIOLOGY CLASS SINCE HIGH SCHOOL.

I MEAN, WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT?

THE REASON WHY OUR HEAD CRIMINAL INVESTIGATORS IN THE COUNTRY ARE SUSPICIOUS ABOUT THE LAB IS BECAUSE THE CHINESE ARE SO OPAQUE.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TESTIFY.

WHEN SOMEBODY REFUSES TO TESTIFY, THEY THINK YOU'RE GUILTY.

BUT I THINK THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENED AND HE WILL NEVER ADMIT IT.

LET'S HEAR FROM DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, FORMER MEDICAL ADVISER TO PRESIDENT BIDEN.

HE HAD THIS TO SAY ABOUT THE LEVEL OF PREPAREDNESS THE NEXT PANDEMIC.

>> WE ARE PARTIALLY READY.

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE GONE RIGHT WITH THE PANDEMIC .

PREPAREDNESS AND RESPONSE FOR COVID-19.

AND SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVED UPON .

IT MAY NOT OCCUR IN THE NEXT YEAR OR 10 YEARS OR 15 YEARS, BUT THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PANDEMIC , AS HISTORY HAS TAUGHT US.

>> YOU ARE EARLY ON IN THIS PANDEMIC PREDICTING IT WOULD BE THE DEADLIEST EVENT IN THE UNITED STATES HISTORY OR ONE OF THE DEADLIEST EVENTS .

HAVE WE LEARNED ANYTHING IN THESE FEW YEARS?

>> WE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE VACCINES FAST.

DR. FOX SHE MYSELF AND MANY OTHER EXPERTS IN THE FIELD .

WE DIDN'T THINK WE WOULD EVER GET A VACCINE FOR WELL OVER A YEAR.

LIKE A YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS WHEN HE STARTED MAKING THE VACCINE.

AND WAS APPROVED 10 MONTHS LATER.

THAT WAS GREAT.

THEN THE TESTING.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER BACK TO EARLY 2020.

YOU COULDN'T GET A TEST IF YOU HAD $1 MILLION.

>> PEOPLE WERE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING HERE.

GETTING MASKS.

PPE.

>> MASKS, EVERYTHING.

NONE OF THAT WAS THERE.

NOW, BECAUSE OF OUR PROGRAM CALLED RAPID ACCELERATION OF DIAGNOSTICS FOR CORONAVIRUS, WE LIKE TO USE THE ACRONYM , THERE IS OVER 8 MILLION TESTS DONE PER DAY AND 50 COMPANIES GOT EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION.

THAT IS REALLY GOING TO HELP US IN THE FUTURE.

AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC HEALTH POINT WHICH IS WHAT DR.

FELT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WE ARE NOT READY.

>> AT THE NEXT PANDEMIC BE DEADLIER THAN THE CORONAVIRUS OR AS DAILY AS A CORONAVIRUS WAS?

>> HOW IT'S AFFECTED HUMANS, UP UNTIL 2003, IT WAS JUST A COMMON COLD.

THEN WE HAD SARS.

SARS, HARD TO TRANSMIT.

APPROXIMATELY 10,000 PEOPLE GOT IT.

BUT 10% DIED.

THEN THERE WAS MERS, THE ONE IN SAUDI ARABIA FOR THE MOST PART.

THAT STILL EXISTS, BUT LESS THAN 2000 PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN IT.

BUT 30% DIED.

AND WE HAVE COVID-19.

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN THE VIRUS, BUT LESS THAN 1% HAVE DIED.

>> SO MUCH WERE CONTAGIOUS YEAR.

A SMALLER PERCENTAGE BUT STILL LOTS OF PEOPLE.

>> THE NEXT PANDEMIC, YOU HER DOCTOR THOUGHT SHE SAY THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PANDEMIC.

I SAY THE SAME THING.

EVERY INFECTIOUS DISEASE DOCTOR WOULD PROBABLY SAY THE SAME THING.

WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT PANDEMIC?

WHAT IF THE MORTALITY RATE IS 3%?

WHAT IF IT'S 5%?

WHAT IF IT'S LIKE SARS AND IT'S 10%?

>> ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THIS CONTAGIOUS.

>> EXACTLY.

THIS IS A WAKE-UP